This is first in a series of Interviews with contemporary Jungian analysts
At the age of 81, with over 500,000 books in print, Marion Woodman is a wise elder in the field of Jungian psychology. As a leader in women’s psychology and spirituality, and a pioneer in body and dream work, she has had a powerful effect on the inner lives of many, including my own. Woodman was among the first to apply Jungian concepts to eating disorders, and to link addiction to the neglect of the “feminine” in contemporary culture.
Woodman’s path to becoming a Jungian analyst took a circuitous route. As a high school English teacher in Canada in 1968, she became restless for a “new frame” of meaning. Traveling to India, she sought, but failed to find, a spiritual teacher. Then, while on sabbatical in England, a friend referred her to 78-year-old Jungian analyst E. A. Bennett. The encounter, she said, “changed me completely.” Taking a leave of absence from teaching, Woodman enrolled at Zurich’s C.G. Jung Institute, and embarked on her journey to become an analyst.
Pythia: What is the difference between Jungian analysis and a more conventional psychological approach?
Pythia: You have said that to bring feminine values into our culture is the “Great Work.” But what exactly is “the feminine”
Marion: I would say fundamentally that it’s the love of nature, and a belief in the body as a part of nature as we see it outside in the woods or rivers. The feminine takes time for spontaneity and slow time, honors inner reality, and gives values to feelings without brutally repressing them as “sissy” or meaningless. Those living the feminine way choose to do something because it’s of genuine worth, and because they love it, and can therefore put their energy into something honestly. Whether a man or a woman, they’re guided by the question: Is this of value to me personally? Is this worth putting my energy and effort into it? Is this who I really am? This path is different from hammering through something, even though one’s heart isn’t in it. But living from the heart in this culture takes courage.
Pythia: Archetypal imagery is central to Jung’s work. This is displayed in the paintings from his inner journey that are in his private journal, the “Red Book.” What are your feelings on the publication of this work?
Pythia: Can you give me an example of a healing image from one of your own dreams?
Marion: I’ve been very ill recently. At the lowest point I had a dream that a raven with a huge beak flew in through my window. It landed on my stomach and started to tear the skin off. The raven was trying to rip the illness out with its sharp beak. Sometimes, I have to confess, I’ve had that attitude toward my body: you will be thin, or you will be well. In the dream I realized that as long as I was hostile to the raven, I was going to be really sick — but by befriending it I had an ally. So (in the dream) I spoke to it gently and tried to calm it down, and it lost its hysteria. Through this dream I realized that I had to bring love and concentration to that part of my body — and that’s why I’m still sitting here in this chair today.