Visions Seminar

Then comes the constellation Piscis Austrinus, the southern Fish.

It is as if the age of the Fishes had sunk down into the unconscious when it vanished.

One can speculate about that, it is a most interesting conception.

Mrs. Baynes: I think it is a horrible fate to have to regard ourselves for another Fish. I am so sick of Fishes.

Dr. Jung: The Whale has produced the Sculptor, and then comes the Piscis Austrinus, and after that Capricorn, half fish and half mountain goat.

Now up to the present moment we had only the authority of Dr. Curtius for talking of the astrological implications of our symbolism.

Yet there is something in both the text and the picture which also gives us a certain justification for establishing this connection between an individual fantasy and the world of stars.

Dr. Reichstein: The patient said in the text that she flew up into the sky on Pegasus, and in the picture also Pegasus is in the sky.

Mrs. Sawyer: And the large brilliant star.

Dr. Jung: Yes, she is obviously somewhere in the neighborhood of the stars, so we are quite safe in assuming that the unconscious is indicating a situation in which human beings usually do not find themselves.

Down here on the surface of the earth one is in the thick atmosphere, but a mythological horse could carry one much further up into the air than any aeroplane or zeppelin could.

She is going up to the stratosphere like Professor Piccard, to an extra-mundane place, an abstract heavenly place, to the stars where there is a city that is foursquare.

The city within the four walls is the star in itself, and in the middle of the city is the open square.

So this is really an extra-mundane place where one would quite naturally encounter extra-mundane symbols.

Moreover a star penetrates the woman’s body, and we can take that quite naively as the leading star, the guiding principle-as one speaks of one’s star, one’s fate, one’s fortune, etc.

It is obviously her individual star, and in this picture it is an influence which penetrates her heart, the center.

This is such definite symbolism that we are quite safe in assuming that it is not only central insofar as her own personal psychology is concerned, it is also central in the cosmic sense, it is at the same time a universal human principle.

That individual relationship to the stars is a thought as old as mankind.

The primitives believed that the falling stars were really souls descending from heaven to embody themselves in human bodies.

They also believed that man was a fiery spark.

Even those much quoted central Australian aborigines believe that.

They are like paleolithic men, they have not yet invented clothes, they never hunt animals for their furs because they never thought of it, in spite of the fact that at times, towards morning, the temperature descends below zero; then they stand round fires and wait until the sun comes back to life.

Now those people believe that the soul of man consists of a little fiery spark, and when such a spark-they are very swift and cunning-is flying about and happens to enter the womb of a woman, she immediately becomes pregnant.

These fiery sparks, which they call by the Swiss-sounding expression maiaurli, are supposed to be the souls of ancestors and to live in particular rocks or trees, and any woman who passes must use special charms in order to ward off the maiaurli that jump out to impregnate her-they are always looking for a womb to enter.

There was a similar idea in certain Gnostic systems: they thought that the soul was a fiery spark which fell down into the sea, or the creative womb, and then became a human soul, building a body round itself.

It is a very interesting idea.

Later on, the stars were identified with the gods, who were supposed to be like human beings although at the same time they were stars; the planets Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, and so on were gods but they were also planets.

That they could be both comes from the fact that those old gods were temperaments or constituents in the character of human beings.

For instance, Mars personifies rage, a martial temperament is the warlike temperament, and in a horoscope Mars means a martial constituent.

And a jovial temperament is like an exceedingly blue sky, like Jove benevolently smiling, and Jove-or Jupiter-in an important position in a horoscope indicates a jovial character.

Venus means love or certain aspects of sex. Mercury is intellect.

And Saturn personifies gloom and all those manifestations which originate in the state of gloom or cause gloom; the Tempter and the Purifier are two of Saturn’s titles.

Now these character constituents in fairly primitive man are very often autonomous-a person’s temperament may be autonomous, for instance.

He may be pathologically jovial, jovial to such an extent that it is no longer a virtue but a vice.

Or he may be good in a most vicious way, so good that he destroys himself and everyone round him; being a little too good is most dangerous for one’s surroundings.

And it is the same with the so-called malefic planets, Mars and Saturn.

You see, the personification of those planets comes from the projection of such autonomous complexes and therefore they have been called gods.

When a woman says: “But I feel so and so about the matter,” it is most decisive, as you know, so one could call it a god.

As a man says: “It is not according to my principle.” I say: “Damn your principle, the situation is so-and-so.”

But his principle is a god to him, he would die rather than give up his most foolish principle, and this is simply based upon a fact of temperament, a deep-rooted emotional factor.

Those temperamental qualities were quite rightly called gods and therefore projected.

So here also is a link between man and the stars, his laws are found to be identical with the stars.

That this woman could project such a thing, then, was not merely a foolish fantastic invention, but has to do with the secrets of psychology.

We have discussed before the connection between time and astrology, and the fact that time has quality.

This moment is different from any other moment, and the next moment will have its particular stamp, and everything that originates in that moment will have that particular stamp.

If we are in a certain mood and, all together, write a letter to  someone, the letter will have the quality of this moment and will retain

it; in ten thousand years that letter will have this stamp because it originated in this particular moment.

So if we could at this moment produce a child out of our collective consciousness-of course, we must not introduce the unconscious, the unknown factor-it would be exactly what the time is now; that the child was born at five minutes to one on such and such a day of such and such a year in such and such a degree of latitude and longitude, would indicate what the child was. ~Visions Seminar, Page 734-736