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A point of support” Carl Jung’s letter to Freud decribing Tone Wolff, a former patient, lyric poet and later analyst: “A new discovery…a remarkable intellect with an excellent feeling for philosophy and religion.” ~Freud/Jung Letters p. 4 40

Emma Jung

“I shall always be grateful to Toni for doing for my husband what I or anyone else could not have done at a most critical time.”  Laurens Van Der Post Jung: The Story of our Time; Page 177.]
“You see, he never took anything from me to give to Toni, but the more he gave her the more he seemed able to give me. ~Emma Jung [Jung: His Life and Work by Barbara Hannah, Page 119.]
“Either she did ot love me and was indifferent cocerning my fate, or she loved me – as she certainly did – and then it was nothing short of heroism.  Such things stand forever, and I shall be grateful to her for all eternity. ~Carl Jung speaking of Toni Wolff [Jung: His Life and Work by Barbara Hannah; Page 120.]


In Black Book 2, Jung noted that it was this dream that made him decide to embark on a relationship with a woman he had met three years earlier (Toni Wolff).  In 1925, he remarked that this dream “was the beginning of a conviction that the unconscious did not consist of inert material only, but that there was something living down there.”  [Red Book; Liber Novus; Page 198; Footnote 37;The Black Book; Pages 17 – 19]
During his self-explorations, he experienced states of turmoil. He recalled that he experienced great fear, and sometimes had to hold the table to keep himself together, and “I was frequently so wrought up that I had to eliminate the emotions through yoga practices. But since it was my purpose to learn what was going on within mysel£ I would do them only until I had calmed myself and could take up again the work with the unconscious.”[Red Book; Page 204; Footnote 117; Memories; Page 201]
He recalled that Toni Wolffhad become drawn into the process in which he was involved, and was experiencing a similar stream of images. Jung found that he could discuss his experiences with her, but she was disorientated and in the same mess. 118 Likewise, his wife was unable to help him in this regard. Consequently; he noted, “that I was able to endure at all was a case of brute force.”I19  [Red Book; Page 204; Footnote 118; MP; Page 174 and Footnote 119; Memories; Page 201]

 Nature is playful and terrible. Some see the playful side and dally with itand let it sparkle. Others see the horror and cover their heads and are more dead than alive. The way does not lead between both, but embraces both. It is both cheeiful play and cold horror.139 [Image 71] . Red Book; Page 278; Footnote 141.

[Image 71; Footnote141] This might be the image Tina Keller is referring to in the following statement in an interview, where she recalled Jung’s discussion of his relations with Emma Jung and Toni Wolff: “Jung once showed me a picture in the book he was painting, and he said, ‘See these three snakes that are intertwined. This is how we three struggle with this problem.’ I can only say that it seemed to me very important that, even as a passing phenomenon, here three people were accepting a destiny which was not gone into just for their personal satisfaction” (interview with Gene Nameche, 1969, R. D. Laing papers, University of Glasgow, p. 27).
In the beginning there is the moon and the sun, feminine and masculine, yet the feminine contains the masculine.

The second sign is a vessel that contains the four functions, apparently the body which contains the psychic.

This is connected with what I told you yesterday about the masculine and the feminine and about the earth.

The third sign is difficult: a fishing rod and a fish.

The fishing rod is too big and the fish too small, so it can’t be caught.

The fourth is a scale that is unevenly loaded. The fifth contains the small scale tray, the other side is firmly bound to the earth.

The scale no longer moves. Both the lines below are the two fish, which aren’t too big, to be placed in the scale tray.

The sixth is again the moon, the feminine, which gives birth to three masculine stars that belong together. The two fish are raised up, and somehow hang together with the three small suns. The ..J means the end of the sentence.

Jung:  But what in the world does this message mean and where does it come from?

Jung’s Soul: From the cosmic, i.e., from what is before birth and after death.

The Great Mother Night, which carries the sun in her body sends the message.

Reason enough to read it carefully.

The first sign is apparently the nocturnal Isis herself, who has taken the masculine into herself.

That was in the cards today, the ace of spades that fell to you. You stand in the sign of the feminine.

The second sign refers to you, i.e., the message turns to you and says in the 3rd sign that this fishing rod is too big for the fish.

The fish that you should catch is still somewhat beyond, also your balance is out of order.

You don’t stand wholly in the middle.

What can that relate to? First we’ll look further.

The balance should be fashioned in a way that one side of the scale, the right, consciousness, should connect with the earth.

That can relate only to your wife, who can give you strength.

The other side is Toni. She apparently has the calling to receive the two fish.

What does that mean? It seems she has the instruction of the Great Mother about this.

In this sense she should be observed, also her dreams. But probably she must be kept hovering, perhaps in the sense that I spoke to you yesterday.

The Great Mother then promises the birth of the 3 small suns or heavenly bodies and the two fish between.

The 2 fish relate to the Christian and the Antichristian, which in the meaning of the future follow the three suns, which are related to the new religion.

The sun is the masculine positive, the illuminator.

A triumvirate, you, Emma, and Toni, the symbolic bearers, the Egyptian symbol, indicated in the word “FANDRAGYPTI,” pheasant of the Egyptians, Isis, Osiris, Nephthys. Nephthys-Toni therefore receives both the fish, i.e., the night or unconscious side.

Both the fish fertilize the mother and cause the birth, the Christian-Antichristian follows behind as the afterbirth. This prediction is good. You can calm down. ~Jung Soul, The Black Books, Vol. VII, Page 215

The two fish appear to be related to the astrological sign of Pisces.

In Aion, Jung studied the astrological symbolism of the precession of the equinoxes between the Ages of Pisces and Aquarius, as noted above, and the relation of this to the figures of Christ and the Antichrist.

He wrote:

“the designation of Christ as the one fish identifies him in the astrological interpretation with the first vertical one. Christ is followed at the end of time by the Antichrist.

The beginning of the enantiodromia must fall, logically, between the two fishes.

We have seen that this is so. The time of the Renaissance begins in the immediate vicinity of the second fish, and with it comes that spirit which culminates in the modern age” (§ 149 ).

At a psychological level, he noted,

“If we see the traditional figure of Christ as a parallel to the psychic manifestation of the self, then the Antichrist would correspond to the shadow of the self, namely the dark half of human totality” (§ 76) .

He added that symbolically,

“the coming of the Antichrist is not just a prophetic prediction- but an unrelenting psychological law …. The ideal of spiritually striving for the heights was doomed to clash with the materialistic earth-bound passion to conquer matter and master the world. This change became visible at the time of the ‘Renaissance'” (§§ 77- 78).  ~The Black Books, Vol. VII, Page 215, fn 179