[World War II began on September 3, 1939. In this remarkable Analytical Session with Catherine “Katy” Cabot Dr. Jung discusses the possible outcome of the War on November 14, 1939.]
We spoke of Germany, an how long the War would last. Onkel said that Germany has extraordinary fighting power, but had no sustenance. For one coup, they would be stronger than in 1914, but they could stand only one tremendous push, and that the first onslaught would be terrific, because they would be willing to sacrifice up to two million men. The Nazis have no regard for human life and would just pour men in. The Allies are more human and don’t wish such a loss of life as in 1914.
In Germany, they are really inhuman and will push their soldiers on, and these soldiers cannot turn back, for, if they do, they have to face their own machine guns. The Germans are able, and willing, to sacrifice five hundred thousand men on the spot without burning a hair. Onkel said he thought the attempt to assassinate Hitler, in the Burgerbraukeller, in Munich, on November 8, 1939, was stages, and that a lot of old party members were sacrificed. The Nazis just destroy, if it is necessary, for their aims, and so it would be with a coup on the Western Front. They would just pour in material and men with no regard for human life. He then cited an example of some Russians, in the Middle Ages, who tried to take a town which was surrounded by a moat. They poured in men until the moat was full of corpses, then the remaining men marched over the bodies of the fallen-to victory. The Germans drive the men over the mine fields as the French drive the swine.
If the Germans could make one hole somewhere in the French defenses anything could be reached, for one can reach almost anything if one sacrifices the necessary amount of people. The terrible question is, cold the French shoot fast enough to kill all? There would always be a few million who would get through. In 1917, the Germans forced regiment after regiment through in an endeavor to take a certain fort. They were mown down by British machine gun fire. It was a horrible sight. War is sweet to those who have not experienced it. Keitel and Brauchitsch want to make their career. The spirits in Germany are low. A sort of apathy reigns over the country. – They needed an “injection.” – That is why Hitler staged the Burgerbraukeller Attentat, for it roused the people from their lethargy. Hitler had a meeting with the General Staff, who advised him not to attack. They have an acute fighting strength, but it won’t last.
Then we switched to Mrs. Fierz, who had the hour previous to me. I laughingly told him how I had hung her coat outside the waiting room, when, on arriving I found it inside, as I was hoping to escape seeing her. He laughed. Then I told him she was apprehensive of his not liking her book on Poliphile. She had jokingly said to me, “You may find a beard on the floor!” He told me her work on Poliphile was really very fine and that he had advised her to publish it.
Then I read him Mr. Cabot’s letter, and laughed over the fact that Mr. Cabot though Switzerland a “good” country. With a twinkle in his eye, he said, “A small country—small vices.” We were both amused at Mr. Cabot giving us news already so old. Onkel said that Mr. Cabot had to give a “thoughtless little thing” like me, news, because I can’t read the newspapers!
One just has to elucidate the state of affairs to such a little bit of fluff as myself! We returned again to the War between sentences in Mr. Cabot’s letter. Onkel said that most of the people in Germany were influenced by Hitler, but if they would think straight, they would say, “We are the real devils of Europe.” But instead they say, “England is the evil spirit: we Germans are good people, and devils are attacking our dear Fatherland.” I told Onkel that, in some way, Stalin did not irritate me, and that next to Hitler, he was sympathetic, nice. Onkel said that Stalin was frank in his dealings with people, did not put on hypocritical airs, just said what he to say, stating his aims quite plainly.
When Lady Astor asked him how long he was going to keep on killing people, he answered her, “As long as it is necessary!” Stalin feels that certain elements are unhealthy so he wipes them out. Stalin does not presume and invent such stories and such lies as Hitler. He is a straightforward brute, a cunning brute, while, on the other hand, Hitler is just a rotten devil, and an hysterical, neurotic individual, as always excited and believing what he says. Stalin is just and “Oriental” – cynical, matter-of-fact and brutal. ~”Jung, My Mother and I;” Pages 229 – 130.
1. Linda David Fierz had written “The Dream of Poliphilo: The Soul in Love.”
2. Lady Astor was American born, married Lord Astor, and became the first British woman Member of Parliament.